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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: blackfedora on January 18, 2013, 05:32 am
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i think the reason that this is going on is because lately there has been so many spammers about bitcoins sales or w.e and this is simply a system to stop this and or deter them from continuing from doing that, its a great idea really, but its only going to piss off some of the frequent users
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Spammers are gonna spam regardless of these shitty limitations.
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It will take a spammer longer to get into the rest of the forum. Then they will be banned. It will slow them down slightly. Will it deter them? Time will tell.
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of course it will work it will take them longer to get to the rest of the forums
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How long does it take to be able to post in other threads?
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50 posts
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it will work but certainly is a pain in the ass, theres gotta be better ways to combat spam. but i guess we live an open style here
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open lifestyles... man
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man this sucks
DICK
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^^^FOR REAL, I HATE SPAMMERS ARRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!..............matey :P
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I LOVE SPAM HAM
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There will always be spammers, but it's always due to new people fucking it up for those of us who can breathe through our noses.
Before being forced to have 50 posts I was fine and no one had a problem with me because I wouldn't ask in some other subforum on an unrelated thread, HEY GUIS, HOW DO I BUY DRUGS WITH BITCOIN?
Shit is retarded, I don't know how you get here and not know how to get a fucking bitcoin.
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Due to the nature of the deepweb its almost impossible to "ban" a user from using your website.
That means you have to find other limitations and make it more annoying for them to get started. Sure 50 posts isn't a lot but a locked account is just a few clicks away.
Culls the spammers and the garbage users who will likely congest the main site, better quality all around. I'm all for it.
Know what else? Be lucky they didn't add a system in where you have to get a established users referral to get into the system ex: early days demonoid or any of the countless private bt trackers.
This really going to help and put meaning behind accounts that choose to have it and you can make 50 posts and have them taken from you eventually it wont be worth it.
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have you ever had spam? everyone hates it, but it's rather tasty.
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Great way to stop spammers, just a pain in the ass for new members.
AHHH!!!
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At the same time I feel like SR may ban a lot of the people who are posting in the "Increase Your Count" threads. Which would be rather funny.
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how will you ever contribute meaningfully given that you are only allowed to post in this section and that's pretty much all this section is now??
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i think the reason that this is going on is because lately there has been so many spammers about bitcoins sales or w.e and this is simply a system to stop this and or deter them from continuing from doing that, its a great idea really, but its only going to piss off some of the frequent users
I agree. It's a pretty big obstacle in getting started here.
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Well shit, I really need to ask a question in the "shipping" section.
God damn spammers.
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I've seen plenty of posts from prior to this policy with useful information in the other sections coming from people with a dozen or fewer posts. This also makes it impossible for a lurker to finally switch out of /lurk mode.
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I've seen plenty of posts from prior to this policy with useful information in the other sections coming from people with a dozen or fewer posts. This also makes it impossible for a lurker to finally switch out of /lurk mode.
This.
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Now the admins can correlate SR logins with Forum logins, I'm sure they could do that before. I don't know if they can do anything with that but it's something to be paranoid and smoke meth about.
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It's not just annoying for new users, but also for older users that haven't written that much in the forums. I wanted to ask a serious question today and now I first need 50 posts. That sucks.
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the speed of tor is making this a grueling process :-\
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just place a limit on number of threads started per day. there's some cunt spamming this board with a bitcoin scam and he's started like 25 threads today. i dont see why anyone would need to start more than 1 or two threads per day at the most.
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No one is even looking at the scamming bitcunt's posts either, they have zero views down the line. Gotta wonder when this shitheel is gonna give up as it is obviously no longer worth while when even the wettest noobs ain't biting. These virwex twats aint too bright.
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i understand now what happen i was thinking i am banned ok new rules now. >:(
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I've opened an SR acc over a year ago. Just signed up for the forums only to post a vendor review and now this :(
So annoying.. won't be able to post a review anytime soon..
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The unintended consequences of the new policy are worse than the status quo ante. It's time to scrap the policy and begin brainstorming for ideas that might actually work.
Here's a suggestion to get the ball rolling: a simple word filter like what primitive email spam detectors (or blog comment anti-spam screens) use that sequesters suspicious posts for approval, combined with a simple flag for established posters here that prevents their posts from ever being flagged in the first place (thereby minimizing false-positives).
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I agree on some things just to increase my post count.
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It's not just annoying for new users, but also for older users that haven't written that much in the forums. I wanted to ask a serious question today and now I first need 50 posts. That sucks.
Has it occurred to members with questions like the above to ask your question or post your review in the newbie discussion thread instead of spam posting your username until you can go to specific section. You are making yourself feel trapped, what's stopping you from asking your question here, it is more than likely you aren't the only one that has the same question.
In the newbie discussion all topics are welcome to be submitted for discussion, don't make it harder on yourselves than you need to guys.
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nomad
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The new policy is a bit annoying, but I think its going to clean up the forums a bit. It will at least slow down the spammers and should reduce those bitcoin scam threads. Also, it seems to me like half the posts I see on the forums are stupid questions that get repeated over and over. If all the newbies have to spend at least a few days or so on this subforum maybe this will be the only area that is flooded with junk posts and basic info that anyone should be able to find the answers to after 2 minutes of searching.
While I think its a good idea over it is a little annoying for myself, having been here for about a year now. I don't post often unless I have something useful to contribute, mostly just browse and search. So it is a little frustrating not being able to contribute to the rest of the board. But if exceptions are made to the new rules, then they probably won't do much good.
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Has it occurred to members with questions like the above to ask your question or post your review in the newbie discussion thread instead of spam posting your username until you can go to specific section. You are making yourself feel trapped, what's stopping you from asking your question here, it is more than likely you aren't the only one that has the same question.
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nomad
This is a fair point, but this option contains several flaws:
One, questions are more likely to be read by experts when posted to the appropriate forum (e.g. a question on security in the security forum).
Two, many forum regulars do not regularly read the Newbie discussion forum.
Three, the rise in spam from people trying to get to 50 will drive away regulars who might have come here to help out in the past.
Four, the rise in spam from people trying to get to 50 is now pushing posts that don't get a quick reply off the front page in as little as 16 minutes (I experimented), which radically decreases the likelihood of getting a reply.
Five, to the extent that useful replies do happen, that information is much less likely to disseminate throughout the newb community because of the aforementioned high rate of getting knocked off the front page.
Six, with newbs now sequestered in one area, it's easier for scammers to selectively poach from this target rich environment, and to hide their crap inside of inane, spammified threads.
Seven, scammers and spammers can still post in this area with throw-away accounts, so it's just as easy for them to get their information out in front of the least well informed segment of the SR community.
It's time for a discussion for a better way to accomplish anti-spam/scam goals without punishing legitimate new users.
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Has it occurred to members with questions like the above to ask your question or post your review in the newbie discussion thread instead of spam posting your username until you can go to specific section. You are making yourself feel trapped, what's stopping you from asking your question here, it is more than likely you aren't the only one that has the same question.
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nomad
This is a fair point, but this option contains several flaws:
One, questions are more likely to be read by experts when posted to the appropriate forum (e.g. a question on security in the security forum).
Two, many forum regulars do not regularly read the Newbie discussion forum.
Three, the rise in spam from people trying to get to 50 will drive away regulars who might have come here to help out in the past.
Four, the rise in spam from people trying to get to 50 is now pushing posts that don't get a quick reply off the front page in as little as 16 minutes (I experimented), which radically decreases the likelihood of getting a reply.
Five, to the extent that useful replies do happen, that information is much less likely to disseminate throughout the newb community because of the aforementioned high rate of getting knocked off the front page.
Six, with newbs now sequestered in one area, it's easier for scammers to selectively poach from this target rich environment, and to hide their crap inside of inane, spammified threads.
Seven, scammers and spammers can still post in this area with throw-away accounts, so it's just as easy for them to get their information out in front of the least well informed segment of the SR community.
It's time for a discussion for a better way to accomplish anti-spam/scam goals without punishing legitimate new users.
I'd like to mention I'm quite possibly the most knowledgeable Silk Road Member on all things SR related.
I'm probably the oldest daily active member in the community and have been on Silk Road since month 2.
I've been head moderator of the forum since day 1 of the current Simple Machines Forum which is about to hit 2 years.
So if you think you can find a better answer else where feel free to post spam til you get your 50 posts otherwise lots of you are wasting your time thinking you have to post boost to 50 posts to get the most accurate answer, because as moderators we have no alternative reasons to post misinformation in regards to a question though in the open forum you will find many that will say anything to take advantage of new members.
I'm only here to help this community Silk Road does not pay me to be here, I volunteer here for the community and helping everyone the best I can with accurate information to make the best possible decision and have the best experience here.
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nomad
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How crucial is it to boot from USB? I bought a brand new netbook and USB drive solely for SR-ing after lurking and researching for several months; however, I apparently got the lowest possible model and it doesn't even have a CD/DVD drive, which (if I am understanding correctly, looking at this thread for example - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=101603.0) will prevent me from getting TAILS running on my USB.
Are there any workarounds for this, or can I have your input into the necessity of booting from USB if I am otherwise doing the following:
- Access SR only on via Tor Bundle on public wifi
- Use Netbook ONLY for SR and other TOR-related stuff (i.e. no mixing of ANY personal or clearnet info - no Amazon, gmail, etc)
- Communicate with vendors ONLY using PGP
- PGP keys saved to TrueCrypt volume on (non-booting) USB drive
Where does the virtual machine factor into all of this - also needed? I have VirtualBox from Oracle installed but have not fully dived in.
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Has it occurred to members with questions like the above to ask your question or post your review in the newbie discussion thread instead of spam posting your username until you can go to specific section. You are making yourself feel trapped, what's stopping you from asking your question here, it is more than likely you aren't the only one that has the same question.
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nomad
This is a fair point, but this option contains several flaws:
One, questions are more likely to be read by experts when posted to the appropriate forum (e.g. a question on security in the security forum).
Two, many forum regulars do not regularly read the Newbie discussion forum.
Three, the rise in spam from people trying to get to 50 will drive away regulars who might have come here to help out in the past.
Four, the rise in spam from people trying to get to 50 is now pushing posts that don't get a quick reply off the front page in as little as 16 minutes (I experimented), which radically decreases the likelihood of getting a reply.
Five, to the extent that useful replies do happen, that information is much less likely to disseminate throughout the newb community because of the aforementioned high rate of getting knocked off the front page.
Six, with newbs now sequestered in one area, it's easier for scammers to selectively poach from this target rich environment, and to hide their crap inside of inane, spammified threads.
Seven, scammers and spammers can still post in this area with throw-away accounts, so it's just as easy for them to get their information out in front of the least well informed segment of the SR community.
It's time for a discussion for a better way to accomplish anti-spam/scam goals without punishing legitimate new users.
I'd like to mention I'm quite possibly the most knowledgeable Silk Road Member on all things SR related.
I'm probably the oldest daily active member in the community and have been on Silk Road since month 2.
I've been head moderator of the forum since day 1 of the current Simple Machines Forum which is about to hit 2 years.
So if you think you can find a better answer else where feel free to post spam til you get your 50 posts otherwise lots of you are wasting your time thinking you have to post boost to 50 posts to get the most accurate answer, because as moderators we have no alternative reasons to post misinformation in regards to a question though in the open forum you will find many that will say anything to take advantage of new members.
I'm only here to help this community Silk Road does not pay me to be here, I volunteer here for the community and helping everyone the best I can with accurate information to make the best possible decision and have the best experience here.
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nomad
All of that is true. What's also true is that you're practically the only regular/long timer/knowledgeable person left willing to read and post in the Newbie discussion forum.
I actually did post a couple ideas for what would work better in two other threads. Those threads are buried now.
My goal isn't to just tear down, I want to be constructive too. Considering what this forum has become lately, however, it seems like even the status quo ante would be preferable.
I'll think a bit more about this while I go cook dinner, write my ideas up in a post, and PM you a link.
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Yeah I can definitely understand the reasoning behind the rules in place. I am a bit disappointed because I had planned on posting a couple of informative reviews regarding purchases I had made that I think would been beneficial to both the up-and-coming vendors and the SR community, but alas I cannot do that now without reaching the post limit.
Oh well, I'm sure it won't take all that long.
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not sure myslef
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Yeah I can definitely understand the reasoning behind the rules in place. I am a bit disappointed because I had planned on posting a couple of informative reviews regarding purchases I had made that I think would been beneficial to both the up-and-coming vendors and the SR community, but alas I cannot do that now without reaching the post limit.
Oh well, I'm sure it won't take all that long.
If you write up a review I'll be happy to post it on your behalf in the vendors review thread.
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I am not a spammer and only post a few messages a day...Id really like to post quality reports and Vendor reports in main section so I guess Ill have to work on getting to 50 asap!!
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50 posts isn't that much, and I kind of like the whole concept, but it wouldn't really work with all these damn spammers and dumbasses who rather spam instead of learn how to use SR properly for the own protection. Precautions and warning signs that newbies should know when detecting whether a vendor is a scammer or not, how to properly use PGP, or how to work out the BTC exchange, are among just one of many things newbies should know before even trying SR. This will ensure you have to have better success rate dealing on SR. Tbh, a lot of the users in this community have a lack of knowledge in harm reduction and drug interactions, they shouldn't even be bothered to try out these hard drugs that can be potentially dangerous, let alone ordering the god damn drugs off the net.
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50 posts isn't that much, and I kind of like the whole concept, but it wouldn't really work with all these damn spammers and dumbasses who rather spam instead of learn how to use SR properly for the own protection. Precautions and warning signs that newbies should know when detecting whether a vendor is a scammer or not, how to properly use PGP, or how to work out the BTC exchange, are among just one of many things newbies should know before even trying SR. This will ensure you have to have better success rate dealing on SR. Tbh, a lot of the users in this community have a lack of knowledge in harm reduction and drug interactions, they shouldn't even be bothered to try out these hard drugs that can be potentially dangerous, let alone ordering the god damn drugs off the net.
I agree with you generally, but if 50 posts isn't that much, it isn't that much for spammers either. And since the paying the 50 vote price comes at the expense of a usable Newbie discussion forum, you're not getting your money's worth. When you pay the price. So to speak. Metaphors.
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It's annoying, but if a spammer posts 50 posts in here, it's proven to be actual-spam (vs. for the sheer sake of hitting the limit for legitimate posts) - which means you can see them spamming in here and ban them before they hit 50.
Although maybe a different/better CAPTCHA might help
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@Nomad Bloodbath
Being that you have been around for a long time I just wanted to take the opportunity to ask you if you purchase LSD here on silk road and if so, who is your favorite vendor for it?
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Great way to stop spammers, just a pain in the ass for new members.
AHHH!!!
A pain in the ass for members that have been here for a while, too. But they're in charge and playing the music, so I'll dance until I hit 50, then go back to posting when I have something of value to add, such as sharing worthwhile experiences, lessons I've learned, reviews, etc.
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With Tor being this slow I think 50 post= to a lifetime
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or I might just be really really lazy
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I'm thinking a bit of both ;)
No offense though; unless my back is to the wall I'm one lazy son of a bitch.
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the reason why silkroad is making these posting limitations is because they know people shopping for drugs on a slow connection need something to occupy their time while they are placing orders.
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People will always find something to complain about. This site is amazing. Spamming to 50 is a small cost to be able to access the main forums.
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The post above is brought to you by one of the idiots in the world.
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If you could obtain high quality drugs IRL then you would not be here. Besides, you can make purchases without getting to 50 and even read the other forums, really doesn't seem that bad.
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I dont think 50 post is bad idea because always the same question are tell,we have to mad research and we can make feed back in this area.
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we have an einstein yall!